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		<title>By: Maman Poulet &#187; Civil Partnership Bill to be published within 3 months</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maman Poulet &#187; Civil Partnership Bill to be published within 3 months</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reception in Fianna Fáil. No word of late as to any consultations and discussions following the publication of the heads of the Bill and call for responses - although I&#8217;ve heard there&#8217;s a fight or twenty ahead to get the legislation debated. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reception in Fianna Fáil. No word of late as to any consultations and discussions following the publication of the heads of the Bill and call for responses &#8211; although I&#8217;ve heard there&#8217;s a fight or twenty ahead to get the legislation debated. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.mamanpoulet.com/civil-partnership-whatwhere-are-the-responses/comment-page-1/#comment-73201</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mainstream medias interest in parent issues is welcome 

http://www.herald.ie/lifestyle/parents/growing-up-with-my-lesbian-parents-1444757.html

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/lsquoi-was-never-picked-on-for-being-the-son-of-lesbians--just-for-having-an-english-accentrsquo-1445345.html

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/relationships/me-and-my-mums-1445343.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mainstream medias interest in parent issues is welcome </p>
<p><a href="http://www.herald.ie/lifestyle/parents/growing-up-with-my-lesbian-parents-1444757.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.herald.ie/lifestyle/parents/growing-up-with-my-lesbian-parents-1444757.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/lsquoi-was-never-picked-on-for-being-the-son-of-lesbians--just-for-having-an-english-accentrsquo-1445345.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/lsquoi-was-never-picked-on-for-being-the-son-of-lesbians&#8211;just-for-having-an-english-accentrsquo-1445345.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/relationships/me-and-my-mums-1445343.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/relationships/me-and-my-mums-1445343.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.mamanpoulet.com/civil-partnership-whatwhere-are-the-responses/comment-page-1/#comment-72792</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some articles in this months GCN on the issue. One is an article similar to the IT letter. Another by Fergus Ryan concludes one article &quot;Civil partnership delivers well over 90% of the rights and obligations that marriage confers. Fears that the bill would be a watered down measure .... have not come to pass&quot;

I&#039;m not entirely convinced about all that though. One of the things that hugely worries me is that Taxation and Social Welfare will not be in this bill but separately in a finance bill presented at the budget - this worries me because - the goverment could potentially give something this way but they could just as easily take it away this way. 

In a sense what I am trying to say is I do not believe that these proposal amount to &quot;full civil partnership&quot; as proposed by Colley

Neil has blogged (more articulately) here about what I am trying to say

http://www.neilward.ie/?p=20 

What annoys me a lot is that ALL of the activist organisations have not tried to engage grassroots, to inform or educate before coming up with their position.

An example of this would be - is the LGBT community aware that the proposed bill will not include taxation and social welfare provisions - is there any group actually trying to inform or educate. Unfortunately in my opinion the answer is no!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some articles in this months GCN on the issue. One is an article similar to the IT letter. Another by Fergus Ryan concludes one article &#8220;Civil partnership delivers well over 90% of the rights and obligations that marriage confers. Fears that the bill would be a watered down measure &#8230;. have not come to pass&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not entirely convinced about all that though. One of the things that hugely worries me is that Taxation and Social Welfare will not be in this bill but separately in a finance bill presented at the budget &#8211; this worries me because &#8211; the goverment could potentially give something this way but they could just as easily take it away this way. </p>
<p>In a sense what I am trying to say is I do not believe that these proposal amount to &#8220;full civil partnership&#8221; as proposed by Colley</p>
<p>Neil has blogged (more articulately) here about what I am trying to say</p>
<p><a href="http://www.neilward.ie/?p=20" rel="nofollow">http://www.neilward.ie/?p=20</a> </p>
<p>What annoys me a lot is that ALL of the activist organisations have not tried to engage grassroots, to inform or educate before coming up with their position.</p>
<p>An example of this would be &#8211; is the LGBT community aware that the proposed bill will not include taxation and social welfare provisions &#8211; is there any group actually trying to inform or educate. Unfortunately in my opinion the answer is no!</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Ward : Silly season gets a bit scary.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Ward : Silly season gets a bit scary.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] submissions to them regarding the published Heads of Bill for the Civil Partnerships Bill.  Suzy has managed to find out that they&#8217;re still taking submissions, so let&#8217;s keep that going, and try to actually [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] submissions to them regarding the published Heads of Bill for the Civil Partnerships Bill.  Suzy has managed to find out that they&#8217;re still taking submissions, so let&#8217;s keep that going, and try to actually [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SeanR</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeanR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m kinda appalled in a way, but not surprised given the &#039;non-political&#039; way in which this has been mis/managed. By that I mean &#039;citizens&#039; are again marginalized in a policy-making process. Who is policy/legislation for? 

Yep the letter in the I/T, from the now adult offspring of a lesbian couple, was great as an exemplar of how politics can be &#039;done&#039; in the public sphere. But why did we like it? 

It exemplied that what is needed - in GBLT politics and in wider sexual politics - is a connection with embodied practices and dilemmas about how we can/cannot live our lives as sexual citizens. 

While establishing policies on sexuality are all very well (and necessary!), policy and policy-making processes tend to alienate citizens as a matter of course and to often neglect the impact of sexual traditions. I&#039;m not sure that citizens are that &quot;unwelcome&quot; in policy making, but they complicate processes as citizens don&#039;t generally bring a policy-maker&#039;s gaze to bear on issues. Citizens want to tell their stories, dilemmas, etc. Hence, we really like the Irish Times letter as it sheds light, in a partial, but embodied way, on how we want to live. Perhaps the other &#039;ferret in the woodshed&#039; for our generation - at least for men - is the legacy of gender roles in Irish culture, which constrains many people: 
(cf. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/newsfeatures/2008/0726/1216917595898.html) 

Sexual politics would &quot;do&quot; more for us if we started to acknowledge and work these tensions as a productive way of theorising, but for now we&#039;ve got another instance of don&#039;t ask, don&#039;t tell (or at least do it quietly).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m kinda appalled in a way, but not surprised given the &#8216;non-political&#8217; way in which this has been mis/managed. By that I mean &#8216;citizens&#8217; are again marginalized in a policy-making process. Who is policy/legislation for? </p>
<p>Yep the letter in the I/T, from the now adult offspring of a lesbian couple, was great as an exemplar of how politics can be &#8216;done&#8217; in the public sphere. But why did we like it? </p>
<p>It exemplied that what is needed &#8211; in GBLT politics and in wider sexual politics &#8211; is a connection with embodied practices and dilemmas about how we can/cannot live our lives as sexual citizens. </p>
<p>While establishing policies on sexuality are all very well (and necessary!), policy and policy-making processes tend to alienate citizens as a matter of course and to often neglect the impact of sexual traditions. I&#8217;m not sure that citizens are that &#8220;unwelcome&#8221; in policy making, but they complicate processes as citizens don&#8217;t generally bring a policy-maker&#8217;s gaze to bear on issues. Citizens want to tell their stories, dilemmas, etc. Hence, we really like the Irish Times letter as it sheds light, in a partial, but embodied way, on how we want to live. Perhaps the other &#8216;ferret in the woodshed&#8217; for our generation &#8211; at least for men &#8211; is the legacy of gender roles in Irish culture, which constrains many people:<br />
(cf. <a href="http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/newsfeatures/2008/0726/1216917595898.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/newsfeatures/2008/0726/1216917595898.html)</a> </p>
<p>Sexual politics would &#8220;do&#8221; more for us if we started to acknowledge and work these tensions as a productive way of theorising, but for now we&#8217;ve got another instance of don&#8217;t ask, don&#8217;t tell (or at least do it quietly).</p>
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		<title>By: marie mulholland</title>
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		<dc:creator>marie mulholland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly at least one of our &quot;own&quot; organisations has done a submission and I&#039;m sure marriagequality has too- but transparency has never been a strong point with L&amp;G organisations here, so I guess you&#039;re right maman- its all &quot;secret&quot; cos that&#039;s what makes them feel powerful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly at least one of our &#8220;own&#8221; organisations has done a submission and I&#8217;m sure marriagequality has too- but transparency has never been a strong point with L&amp;G organisations here, so I guess you&#8217;re right maman- its all &#8220;secret&#8221; cos that&#8217;s what makes them feel powerful.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.mamanpoulet.com/civil-partnership-whatwhere-are-the-responses/comment-page-1/#comment-72735</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only kind of consultation I&#039;m aware of is a half-day seminar the ICCL ran two weeks ago.  There was no press release on it, as they didn&#039;t want it to be the start of a campaign or anything like that.  They just invited three people to give legal perspectives on the proposed bill....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only kind of consultation I&#8217;m aware of is a half-day seminar the ICCL ran two weeks ago.  There was no press release on it, as they didn&#8217;t want it to be the start of a campaign or anything like that.  They just invited three people to give legal perspectives on the proposed bill&#8230;.</p>
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