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		<title>By: Jason O Mahony &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The now (in)famous Coir question mark.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason O Mahony &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The now (in)famous Coir question mark.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] An excellent post on Maman Poulet about Coir&#8217;s targetting of people with disabilities here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Irish Election &#187; What Being Lisboned Out Might Mean on Friday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irish Election &#187; What Being Lisboned Out Might Mean on Friday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] negative campaigns have a different genealogy and take a different form. This is most certainly the politics of the death panel and our voters are in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Open source nutwork &#171; The Clockwork Chartophylax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Open source nutwork &#171; The Clockwork Chartophylax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Maman Poulet: While I was on holidays a work colleague texted me to say she had been canvassed by Cóir. The canvasser told her that if Lisbon was passed that she would be put down like a dog. My colleague has cerebral palsy. So at the GPO yesterday it was not difficult to get a word with Brian T. Hickey a principle spokesman from Cóir. He said that the canvasser should not have said that about being put down but that it was possible that Euthanasia would be introduced because 2 EU countries have it and the European Court could rule that Ireland should have it too. He scrambled a bit as he introduced what I call the Cóir question mark – it might happen because Cóir say it might even if everyone else says it won’t. Further questioned Hickey could not speak to the specific parts of the Lisbon Treaty that protect people with disabilities. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Maman Poulet: While I was on holidays a work colleague texted me to say she had been canvassed by Cóir. The canvasser told her that if Lisbon was passed that she would be put down like a dog. My colleague has cerebral palsy. So at the GPO yesterday it was not difficult to get a word with Brian T. Hickey a principle spokesman from Cóir. He said that the canvasser should not have said that about being put down but that it was possible that Euthanasia would be introduced because 2 EU countries have it and the European Court could rule that Ireland should have it too. He scrambled a bit as he introduced what I call the Cóir question mark – it might happen because Cóir say it might even if everyone else says it won’t. Further questioned Hickey could not speak to the specific parts of the Lisbon Treaty that protect people with disabilities. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://www.mamanpoulet.com/death-panel-politics-disability-and-lisbon/comment-page-1/#comment-119098</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Irish state have long been criticised for it&#039;s failure to provide timely resources or treatment for many of the disadvantaged in our society, whether it be permanent, long term, or short term.  Amnesty International in particular, is critical of the mental health provisions .. or rather, lack of them.  I wonder what effect, if any, this treaty will have.
  On a general note, I have yet to see ANY placards which actually say anything truthful about the treaty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Irish state have long been criticised for it&#8217;s failure to provide timely resources or treatment for many of the disadvantaged in our society, whether it be permanent, long term, or short term.  Amnesty International in particular, is critical of the mental health provisions .. or rather, lack of them.  I wonder what effect, if any, this treaty will have.<br />
  On a general note, I have yet to see ANY placards which actually say anything truthful about the treaty.</p>
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		<title>By: Miriam Cotton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miriam Cotton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have nothing to do with COIR.  But I care passionately about rights for people with disability and have campaigned hard on this issue. In doing so it has become painfully apparent that our government is ruthlessly determined to be as miserly as possible about provision for people with disability.  This doesnt stop it from mawkish politicking on the back of the issue at every possible opportunity.  It&#039;s &#039;solutions&#039; to the issue are to rely on unpredictable corporate fundraising and carefully monitored and controlled volunteerism that doesn&#039;t rock the boat. Can&#039;t have a disability lobby that is anything other than grateful for charity.

Unfortunately the provisions of the Treaty in relation to REAL rights of any sort are meaningless.  Unless or until clearly specified rights for people with disability are made legally enforceable - eg the automatic right to a timely assessment of needs with resources to follow the needs identified - the rest is pure guff.  As it stands the law in Ireland, eg, is completely fenced in by the principles of &#039;ministerial discretion&#039; and &#039;available resources&#039; both of which are used to severely restrict services for people with disability. The legislation which lays this down is impressivley larded with the word &#039;rights&#039; and is full of grand, encouraging claims but NOWHERE ever grants a single enforceable right, nevertheless.   This is quite deliberate and there is nothing anyone can do about it.  Increasingly challenges are made by parents to secure services for chilren, eg, under the provisions of the constitution but that avenue too is in danger of being closed off, ironically under the guise of amending the constitution behind a claim to enhance childrens&#039; rights!   This is all in line with UN/EU policy by the way.  The EU is as wary of the disability lobby as the Irish government is and spouts just as much bullshit about it.  All it sees is a cost which has to be contained as much as possible.  

The ugly truth about official attitudes to disability is that people are viewed through their ability to contribute economically.  Generally speaking the greatest expenditure is on those who are more likely to be able to work, and the classification of people into intellectual, physical and sensory disability groups (though of course there can be overlap)reflects this thinking.  I know of no plan or policy of any sort to introduce euthanasia as a solution to disability.  I do know however of indifference, neglect and abuse on a scale that is practically tantamount to euthanasia - not just in Ireland but throughout the EU.  The Lisbon Treaty will do nothing for the disability lobby and it is not intended that it should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have nothing to do with COIR.  But I care passionately about rights for people with disability and have campaigned hard on this issue. In doing so it has become painfully apparent that our government is ruthlessly determined to be as miserly as possible about provision for people with disability.  This doesnt stop it from mawkish politicking on the back of the issue at every possible opportunity.  It&#8217;s &#8216;solutions&#8217; to the issue are to rely on unpredictable corporate fundraising and carefully monitored and controlled volunteerism that doesn&#8217;t rock the boat. Can&#8217;t have a disability lobby that is anything other than grateful for charity.</p>
<p>Unfortunately the provisions of the Treaty in relation to REAL rights of any sort are meaningless.  Unless or until clearly specified rights for people with disability are made legally enforceable &#8211; eg the automatic right to a timely assessment of needs with resources to follow the needs identified &#8211; the rest is pure guff.  As it stands the law in Ireland, eg, is completely fenced in by the principles of &#8216;ministerial discretion&#8217; and &#8216;available resources&#8217; both of which are used to severely restrict services for people with disability. The legislation which lays this down is impressivley larded with the word &#8216;rights&#8217; and is full of grand, encouraging claims but NOWHERE ever grants a single enforceable right, nevertheless.   This is quite deliberate and there is nothing anyone can do about it.  Increasingly challenges are made by parents to secure services for chilren, eg, under the provisions of the constitution but that avenue too is in danger of being closed off, ironically under the guise of amending the constitution behind a claim to enhance childrens&#8217; rights!   This is all in line with UN/EU policy by the way.  The EU is as wary of the disability lobby as the Irish government is and spouts just as much bullshit about it.  All it sees is a cost which has to be contained as much as possible.  </p>
<p>The ugly truth about official attitudes to disability is that people are viewed through their ability to contribute economically.  Generally speaking the greatest expenditure is on those who are more likely to be able to work, and the classification of people into intellectual, physical and sensory disability groups (though of course there can be overlap)reflects this thinking.  I know of no plan or policy of any sort to introduce euthanasia as a solution to disability.  I do know however of indifference, neglect and abuse on a scale that is practically tantamount to euthanasia &#8211; not just in Ireland but throughout the EU.  The Lisbon Treaty will do nothing for the disability lobby and it is not intended that it should.</p>
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		<title>By: Raghallaigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raghallaigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well written post, I can&#039;t say that I am suprised or shocked about your experience, it has been my experience of the Cóir, Youth Defence, John Paul II Society [you can choose what name they are this month to fit the purpose] that those foot soldiers on the ground are trained and encouraged to act in this manner. Of course this means that the higher up &#039;spokespeople&#039; disown their acitions nor ever having encouraged them you will find that in most cases the most likely have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well written post, I can&#8217;t say that I am suprised or shocked about your experience, it has been my experience of the Cóir, Youth Defence, John Paul II Society [you can choose what name they are this month to fit the purpose] that those foot soldiers on the ground are trained and encouraged to act in this manner. Of course this means that the higher up &#8216;spokespeople&#8217; disown their acitions nor ever having encouraged them you will find that in most cases the most likely have.</p>
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		<title>By: Irish Election &#187; Getting Down and Dirty with Coir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irish Election &#187; Getting Down and Dirty with Coir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blog &#8211; there is little hint of the style of campaigning we see on the ground. As Suzy writes in her excellent post over at Maman Poulet, the politics of the death panel has arrived.  From [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cóir says people with disabilities will be &#8220;put down&#8221; like dogs : Alexia Golez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cóir says people with disabilities will be &#8220;put down&#8221; like dogs : Alexia Golez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on how Cóir are telling people how they&#8217;d be put down by Europe like dogs if Lisbon passes. It&#8217;s incredibly important to read the dirt that Cóir is spouting. [...]</description>
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