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	<title>Comments on: Lesbian and gay politics and agendas &#8211; Milking it</title>
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		<title>By: Tipster</title>
		<link>http://www.mamanpoulet.com/lesbian-and-gay-politics-and-agendas-milking-it/comment-page-1/#comment-153249</link>
		<dc:creator>Tipster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anybody count how long it took GLEN to remove the pictures of Ursula and Eadaoin from the page on their website listing their board members?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anybody count how long it took GLEN to remove the pictures of Ursula and Eadaoin from the page on their website listing their board members?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.mamanpoulet.com/lesbian-and-gay-politics-and-agendas-milking-it/comment-page-1/#comment-112530</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever happened the GALAs?</description>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
		<link>http://www.mamanpoulet.com/lesbian-and-gay-politics-and-agendas-milking-it/comment-page-1/#comment-96063</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Maman, given your latest addendum, if GLEN looses 70% of their lesbian board members ( and we dont know if the 3rd and final dyke has gone), surely that has to be noted by their funders and also requires some kind of statement to the LGB community... or am I just being an idealist, again! LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Maman, given your latest addendum, if GLEN looses 70% of their lesbian board members ( and we dont know if the 3rd and final dyke has gone), surely that has to be noted by their funders and also requires some kind of statement to the LGB community&#8230; or am I just being an idealist, again! LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops I&#039;m going to nominate you for a GALA ha ha!  

Conversations on the issues you raise MP are held all over the country but we don&#039;t have access to the money nor do we have the time to spend bullshitting to politicians and others whilst dealing with the reality that is running a lesbian and gay group or event. Or if we do lobby on stuff we&#039;re talking in ordinary language without the buzzwords being created to keep some people in jobs. 

Love your blog and keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops I&#8217;m going to nominate you for a GALA ha ha!  </p>
<p>Conversations on the issues you raise MP are held all over the country but we don&#8217;t have access to the money nor do we have the time to spend bullshitting to politicians and others whilst dealing with the reality that is running a lesbian and gay group or event. Or if we do lobby on stuff we&#8217;re talking in ordinary language without the buzzwords being created to keep some people in jobs. </p>
<p>Love your blog and keep it up!</p>
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		<title>By: Red Links 2/02/09 : Alexia Golez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Links 2/02/09 : Alexia Golez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 05:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Suzy blows away the cobwebs and points to the politics behind some groups in the LGBT [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Fluffy links - Monday February 2nd 2009 &#171; Damien Mulley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fluffy links - Monday February 2nd 2009 &#171; Damien Mulley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 05:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] talks about the lack of anyone charismastic and uniting in LGBT politics in Ireland. Most of the organisations appear to be self serving to their board not even [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SeanR</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeanR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 19:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You raise many interesting points here, MP.

I think there is a need for a rethink of how Irish GLBT sexual politics should be organised going forward. While I understand your point about having a charismatic character to lead the community, the key impediment we seem to have in Ireland is the reluctance of GLEN to understand that the organisation does not meet current/ future needs of sexual citizens. More often than not, people just do their own thing, and this is mistakenly regarded as not political. GLEN was framed, understandably, in terms of an emancipatory politics (decriminalisation), but now, the impending political issue (civil partnership), is about how we, as citizens, want to live.  GLEN’s approach tends to favour letting ‘experts’ sort out laws and policies, but it does not engage with or help people with being LGBT in everyday life. 
A politics that tends to favour experts too can lead to people thinking they are indispensible. So when you report as to how a GLEN member can make a solo run as a non-executive board member for the Equality Authority, become accountable to nobody and unashamedly bed down with the current attack on human rights in Ireland, etc., we can hardly be surprised at this development (however concerned we are). While GLEN, as an organisation, has done some excellent work in terms of decriminalisation and developing a degree of expertise in terms of the turn to policy-led citizenship on Ireland (post-1997), the organisation has remained undemocratic. Paradoxically to what GLEN might have hoped for, adopting the view that GLEN needs to ‘do it’ has ensured that sexual democracy has remained weak, that the LGBT ‘children’ have continually been viewed as unable, in some way, to become full citizens themselves.  GLEN seems to think it ‘needs’ to speak for us, because we can’t do it ourselves, but the children have grown up and it is now time to move on, we don’t need other Milks per se, we need democratic ways of organising, to afford support and resources to people who want to organise and plan their lives as sexual citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You raise many interesting points here, MP.</p>
<p>I think there is a need for a rethink of how Irish GLBT sexual politics should be organised going forward. While I understand your point about having a charismatic character to lead the community, the key impediment we seem to have in Ireland is the reluctance of GLEN to understand that the organisation does not meet current/ future needs of sexual citizens. More often than not, people just do their own thing, and this is mistakenly regarded as not political. GLEN was framed, understandably, in terms of an emancipatory politics (decriminalisation), but now, the impending political issue (civil partnership), is about how we, as citizens, want to live.  GLEN’s approach tends to favour letting ‘experts’ sort out laws and policies, but it does not engage with or help people with being LGBT in everyday life.<br />
A politics that tends to favour experts too can lead to people thinking they are indispensible. So when you report as to how a GLEN member can make a solo run as a non-executive board member for the Equality Authority, become accountable to nobody and unashamedly bed down with the current attack on human rights in Ireland, etc., we can hardly be surprised at this development (however concerned we are). While GLEN, as an organisation, has done some excellent work in terms of decriminalisation and developing a degree of expertise in terms of the turn to policy-led citizenship on Ireland (post-1997), the organisation has remained undemocratic. Paradoxically to what GLEN might have hoped for, adopting the view that GLEN needs to ‘do it’ has ensured that sexual democracy has remained weak, that the LGBT ‘children’ have continually been viewed as unable, in some way, to become full citizens themselves.  GLEN seems to think it ‘needs’ to speak for us, because we can’t do it ourselves, but the children have grown up and it is now time to move on, we don’t need other Milks per se, we need democratic ways of organising, to afford support and resources to people who want to organise and plan their lives as sexual citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always been of the view that class interests were the ties that bind amongst the Board of GLEN, because despite GLEN&#039;s lack of gender balance and analysis, the absence of democracy and transparency in the organisation, members of its board who have made their reputations espousing such causes have seemed all too willing to ignore GLEN&#039;s flagrant violations on those fronts and to collude in their persistence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always been of the view that class interests were the ties that bind amongst the Board of GLEN, because despite GLEN&#8217;s lack of gender balance and analysis, the absence of democracy and transparency in the organisation, members of its board who have made their reputations espousing such causes have seemed all too willing to ignore GLEN&#8217;s flagrant violations on those fronts and to collude in their persistence.</p>
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		<title>By: Tipster</title>
		<link>http://www.mamanpoulet.com/lesbian-and-gay-politics-and-agendas-milking-it/comment-page-1/#comment-95533</link>
		<dc:creator>Tipster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironic, that resignation. Two years ago at the DUblin Pride forum, the men who run GLEN stayed away and sent in Ursula to defend the organisation. I recall her request that people give it a chance to deliver. Ho and hum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironic, that resignation. Two years ago at the DUblin Pride forum, the men who run GLEN stayed away and sent in Ursula to defend the organisation. I recall her request that people give it a chance to deliver. Ho and hum.</p>
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