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		<title>By: Digest &#8211; July 12 2010 &#8211; The Story</title>
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		<dc:creator>Digest &#8211; July 12 2010 &#8211; The Story</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 23:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Suzy Byrne on the week the Seanad earned its keep. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: click here</title>
		<link>http://www.mamanpoulet.com/the-week-the-seanad-earned-its-keep/comment-page-1/#comment-179834</link>
		<dc:creator>click here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, yeah right, Angelo. 

Mullen knew the Bill was going to pass, so the tactic was to try to keep talking until the Oireachtas began the summer recess, and therefore hugely delay the Bill. (As he stated on RTÉ Radio 1 earlier in the week, this course of action was certainly on his mind.) 

How is it possibly democratic for one man - elected by a particular cohort university graduates - to do that? 

It was entirely right to circumvent his filibustering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, yeah right, Angelo. </p>
<p>Mullen knew the Bill was going to pass, so the tactic was to try to keep talking until the Oireachtas began the summer recess, and therefore hugely delay the Bill. (As he stated on RTÉ Radio 1 earlier in the week, this course of action was certainly on his mind.) </p>
<p>How is it possibly democratic for one man &#8211; elected by a particular cohort university graduates &#8211; to do that? </p>
<p>It was entirely right to circumvent his filibustering.</p>
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		<title>By: Angelo Bottone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelo Bottone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 09:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched the debate on-line and I was scandalised when they decided to guillotine it. It has never happened in the last 20 years in the Seanad. The establishment decided to kill any dissent. They knew the Bill would have passed anyway but could not stand more opposition.
Sen. Mullen is one of the few who has been chosen by the people, by a costituency of educated people. (Sen. O&#039;Malley came 9th out of 11 candidates in first preferences in the last GE) You might like him not but expression of dissent is essential to democracy. Somebody said it was an historical day. Well, it would have been more remarkable if the arrogance of the winners didn&#039;t humiliated dissenters imposing them silence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched the debate on-line and I was scandalised when they decided to guillotine it. It has never happened in the last 20 years in the Seanad. The establishment decided to kill any dissent. They knew the Bill would have passed anyway but could not stand more opposition.<br />
Sen. Mullen is one of the few who has been chosen by the people, by a costituency of educated people. (Sen. O&#8217;Malley came 9th out of 11 candidates in first preferences in the last GE) You might like him not but expression of dissent is essential to democracy. Somebody said it was an historical day. Well, it would have been more remarkable if the arrogance of the winners didn&#8217;t humiliated dissenters imposing them silence.</p>
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		<title>By: Éidín</title>
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		<dc:creator>Éidín</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silenced? Angelo did you actually watch the debate-He was far from it-At one stage he took to reading irrelevant letters-He had plenty of time to put his argument forward.

Re Quinn it really is bizarre-I wonder is it the first time that someone who supported the Níl then voted against it. By the end of the debate i did wonder had Norris got to him? Strange indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silenced? Angelo did you actually watch the debate-He was far from it-At one stage he took to reading irrelevant letters-He had plenty of time to put his argument forward.</p>
<p>Re Quinn it really is bizarre-I wonder is it the first time that someone who supported the Níl then voted against it. By the end of the debate i did wonder had Norris got to him? Strange indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Angelo Bottone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelo Bottone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way Sen. Mullen was silenced is appalling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way Sen. Mullen was silenced is appalling.</p>
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		<title>By: SeanR</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeanR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 23:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterday was a very good day indeed, and I&#039;m quite tired after being a politics geek.  

I thoroughly enjoyed the debates in both houses, and have vague plans to write something sociological about them for posterity. 

While the criticism of the Seanad has a place, i am not so keen to have a unicameral system of government with those FF keystone cops in power - they need to be watched by the other chamber. I think FG are completely wrong to call for the Seanad&#039;s abolition; reform yes, abolition, no!

In terms of the debate yesterday, while Seal and Lurch et al weren&#039;t going to win, it was important for people to see how toxic and insidious their purile views about &#039;morality&#039; are.These views aren&#039;t solely the purview of the American right like Governor Quitter Palin from Alaska and Glenn Beck - they are right here on our doorstep. They are dressed up as reasonableness, and we should never be lulled into a fake sense of security by their christian values.

Thanks again Suzy for organising this virtual communitas of LGBT folk and our friends. Activism can be fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday was a very good day indeed, and I&#8217;m quite tired after being a politics geek.  </p>
<p>I thoroughly enjoyed the debates in both houses, and have vague plans to write something sociological about them for posterity. </p>
<p>While the criticism of the Seanad has a place, i am not so keen to have a unicameral system of government with those FF keystone cops in power &#8211; they need to be watched by the other chamber. I think FG are completely wrong to call for the Seanad&#8217;s abolition; reform yes, abolition, no!</p>
<p>In terms of the debate yesterday, while Seal and Lurch et al weren&#8217;t going to win, it was important for people to see how toxic and insidious their purile views about &#8216;morality&#8217; are.These views aren&#8217;t solely the purview of the American right like Governor Quitter Palin from Alaska and Glenn Beck &#8211; they are right here on our doorstep. They are dressed up as reasonableness, and we should never be lulled into a fake sense of security by their christian values.</p>
<p>Thanks again Suzy for organising this virtual communitas of LGBT folk and our friends. Activism can be fun!</p>
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		<title>By: steve white</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve white</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 22:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>er what did they actually do ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>er what did they actually do ?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 22:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Seanad debate was actually much more intelligent, impressive, considered, impassioned, realistic then the Dail debate - Senators actually showed in this debate that they can grapple with the issues and analyse them in a much better way than the Dail - as well as that the Senate is most certainly not an old boys club - there were very impressive contributions from young senators and female senators. I disagree that it should be abolished but do think that radical reform is needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Seanad debate was actually much more intelligent, impressive, considered, impassioned, realistic then the Dail debate &#8211; Senators actually showed in this debate that they can grapple with the issues and analyse them in a much better way than the Dail &#8211; as well as that the Senate is most certainly not an old boys club &#8211; there were very impressive contributions from young senators and female senators. I disagree that it should be abolished but do think that radical reform is needed.</p>
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		<title>By: The Upper House really does rule « Gav Reilly &#124; thinking out loud</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Upper House really does rule « Gav Reilly &#124; thinking out loud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 22:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the aftermath of the marathon debates on the Civil Partnership Bill, and inspired by Suzy&#8217;s far more eloquent blog post on the same topic, I wanted to try and cobble together some thoughts on the Seanad and its [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the aftermath of the marathon debates on the Civil Partnership Bill, and inspired by Suzy&#8217;s far more eloquent blog post on the same topic, I wanted to try and cobble together some thoughts on the Seanad and its [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Maman Poulet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maman Poulet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 20:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the debate record - Quinn voted in favour but was a teller for the Níl. Very bizarre http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=SEN20100708.xml&amp;Node=H8&amp;Page=17</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the debate record &#8211; Quinn voted in favour but was a teller for the Níl. Very bizarre <a href="http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=SEN20100708.xml&#038;Node=H8&#038;Page=17" rel="nofollow">http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=SEN20100708.xml&#038;Node=H8&#038;Page=17</a></p>
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