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		<title>By: Daniel Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on Sean, what was all that guff about Trojan&#039;s for if not an ode to Americana? You brought it up not me.

I&#039;ve said it elsewhere I&#039;d prefer to see the state get out of the marriage business and leave it as a recogniser of contracts only. If people want group partnerships, time defined, or open ended that&#039;s up to them. But if people are saying they want it to be marriage then that does imply monogamy as a goal if not necessary one that&#039;s always achieved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Sean, what was all that guff about Trojan&#8217;s for if not an ode to Americana? You brought it up not me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said it elsewhere I&#8217;d prefer to see the state get out of the marriage business and leave it as a recogniser of contracts only. If people want group partnerships, time defined, or open ended that&#8217;s up to them. But if people are saying they want it to be marriage then that does imply monogamy as a goal if not necessary one that&#8217;s always achieved.</p>
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		<title>By: SeanR</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeanR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn&#039;t a vote Labour rant Daniel nor anything about Americana! 

My take on monogamy is that it is up to any couple to choose who/ how they want to shag, and the government has no place being a &quot;one couple, one coitus&quot; enforcer! Getting into a civil partnership is hardly a tax dodge, I&#039;m worth about €7K per annum to my partner as a hausfrau and that&#039;s a bargain compared to the cost of a Bank Director a Minister to the exchequer! The old one being f***ed there is the taxpayer if we&#039;re still talking about monogamy! 

Partnership is about recognising my relationship of 20+ years and how *we* choose to live, how we want to order our financial affairs, etc. If you want to talk tax dodges, then we should ask about how much money *we* have lost because the State regards us as strangers in blood... we&#039;re due a big effing refund if you wanna pursue that one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t a vote Labour rant Daniel nor anything about Americana! </p>
<p>My take on monogamy is that it is up to any couple to choose who/ how they want to shag, and the government has no place being a &#8220;one couple, one coitus&#8221; enforcer! Getting into a civil partnership is hardly a tax dodge, I&#8217;m worth about €7K per annum to my partner as a hausfrau and that&#8217;s a bargain compared to the cost of a Bank Director a Minister to the exchequer! The old one being f***ed there is the taxpayer if we&#8217;re still talking about monogamy! </p>
<p>Partnership is about recognising my relationship of 20+ years and how *we* choose to live, how we want to order our financial affairs, etc. If you want to talk tax dodges, then we should ask about how much money *we* have lost because the State regards us as strangers in blood&#8230; we&#8217;re due a big effing refund if you wanna pursue that one!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Spillane - The Lisbon Debate gets going - A bit of a round-up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Spillane - The Lisbon Debate gets going - A bit of a round-up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on from the abortion issue which has raised its head early in the debate, Suzy has picked up on a Press Release by Lucinda Creighton TD (FG) who could have titled her PR a little [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on from the abortion issue which has raised its head early in the debate, Suzy has picked up on a Press Release by Lucinda Creighton TD (FG) who could have titled her PR a little [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://www.mamanpoulet.com/vote-yes-and-the-gangs-will-be-goners/comment-page-1/#comment-110001</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And this is why I support Labour… does Lucinda know that Trojan is an American brand of condom, she’d be laughed out of it across the pond!&quot; My God you&#039;re right and they think rubbers are a form of contraceptive too instead of an eraser for removing pencil marks! Vote Labour, throw our own odd little culture out the window and homogenise completely with the Americans. Cos they&#039;re grrreat!

Also, if people aren&#039;t going to at least make a minimal effort at being in a monogamous relationship then what&#039;s the point in giving them rights for being in a partnership? Sounds like a tax dodge to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And this is why I support Labour… does Lucinda know that Trojan is an American brand of condom, she’d be laughed out of it across the pond!&#8221; My God you&#8217;re right and they think rubbers are a form of contraceptive too instead of an eraser for removing pencil marks! Vote Labour, throw our own odd little culture out the window and homogenise completely with the Americans. Cos they&#8217;re grrreat!</p>
<p>Also, if people aren&#8217;t going to at least make a minimal effort at being in a monogamous relationship then what&#8217;s the point in giving them rights for being in a partnership? Sounds like a tax dodge to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Lucinda is such a fan of an EU army, I wonder does she have a brigade of Blueshirts on stand by to force a Yes vote.

Back in the day, it used to be a joke say to check under your beds for Blueshirts. Are they now going to criminalise anybody who has the cheek to exercise their democratic right and vote No.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Lucinda is such a fan of an EU army, I wonder does she have a brigade of Blueshirts on stand by to force a Yes vote.</p>
<p>Back in the day, it used to be a joke say to check under your beds for Blueshirts. Are they now going to criminalise anybody who has the cheek to exercise their democratic right and vote No.</p>
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		<title>By: Holemaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holemaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The change to handgun legislation sounded pointless alright and Mark there has pointed out why.

I wish FF and FG would just merge and leave space for real opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The change to handgun legislation sounded pointless alright and Mark there has pointed out why.</p>
<p>I wish FF and FG would just merge and leave space for real opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: SeanR</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeanR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this is why I support Labour... does Lucinda know that Trojan is an American brand of condom, she&#039;d be laughed out of it across the pond!  

I would have thought gangs are *very* local, not global, and able to act with impunity because Min for Finance has significantly cut Garda funding (after being MOJ where funding was more ample, Lenihan is a kinda poacher turned gamekeeper as Deputy Snip). Now we&#039;ve just MOJ Nero Ahern who is just off in his weird little world of his own, bless. Crime is just escalating, and I don&#039;t think Lisbon matters a jot, Lucinda, you&#039;re just offending my intelligence! 

BTW: am I the only one who&#039;s offended by civil partners having to state their in monogamous relationships? Very green-cardish! Also, hat tip to the Sunday Trib, did anyone notice that the 2004 Civil registration act barred same-sex marriage? A British sociologist Rosie Harding put it well, dogs should be registered, not people... Coming next in the Fianna Glas moralising legislative agenda... the Underpants Checking Bill 2010 to verify you&#039;re a &quot;good gay&quot;. 

Meantime, people cannot get basic services and the country is going to hell. Sorry... what&#039;s Lisbon all about again? Our salvation is a local solution too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this is why I support Labour&#8230; does Lucinda know that Trojan is an American brand of condom, she&#8217;d be laughed out of it across the pond!  </p>
<p>I would have thought gangs are *very* local, not global, and able to act with impunity because Min for Finance has significantly cut Garda funding (after being MOJ where funding was more ample, Lenihan is a kinda poacher turned gamekeeper as Deputy Snip). Now we&#8217;ve just MOJ Nero Ahern who is just off in his weird little world of his own, bless. Crime is just escalating, and I don&#8217;t think Lisbon matters a jot, Lucinda, you&#8217;re just offending my intelligence! </p>
<p>BTW: am I the only one who&#8217;s offended by civil partners having to state their in monogamous relationships? Very green-cardish! Also, hat tip to the Sunday Trib, did anyone notice that the 2004 Civil registration act barred same-sex marriage? A British sociologist Rosie Harding put it well, dogs should be registered, not people&#8230; Coming next in the Fianna Glas moralising legislative agenda&#8230; the Underpants Checking Bill 2010 to verify you&#8217;re a &#8220;good gay&#8221;. </p>
<p>Meantime, people cannot get basic services and the country is going to hell. Sorry&#8230; what&#8217;s Lisbon all about again? Our salvation is a local solution too!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other than some sort of attempt to have a go at Lucinda, I fail to see the point of this entry. 

If you wish to challenge what she says, then fire away, but you don&#039;t. It might be more enlightening if you did. Why does Lisbon make no difference in the area of crime?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other than some sort of attempt to have a go at Lucinda, I fail to see the point of this entry. </p>
<p>If you wish to challenge what she says, then fire away, but you don&#8217;t. It might be more enlightening if you did. Why does Lisbon make no difference in the area of crime?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Dennehy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Dennehy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;curtailing of access to handguns within the State&quot; only applies to _licenced firearms holders_ who have been deprived of several international sports as a result for no reason whatsoever bar the media scaremongering over the sport of target shooting. 

One slow news day, one silly season story, and then politicians whose careers aren&#039;t doing so well like Deasy and De Burka start playing to that scaremongering in the media and then of course the Minister thinks &quot;better to get a timeslot on the radio than to do the job I&#039;m paid for&quot; and we get the Criminal Justice (Misc.Provisions) Bill which says that law-abiding people, each personally vetted by a Garda Superintendent (and who have to jump through a long series of hoops including house visits, character references, and so forth), can&#039;t have a fullbore pistol anymore. Unless they had one before November last year when the Minister first jumped for a piece of airtime. And they can&#039;t do anything that looks like &quot;combat training&quot;... unless they do it in full military getup with replica firearms (which look, weigh, feel, sound and operate almost identically to the real thing) or with paintballs or something similar. 

Because, obviously, the drug gangs all have licences for their guns. Which they got from their local Garda Superintendents. And will hand in once the new law is signed in and commenced. 

If it hadn&#039;t done as much damage, it&#039;d be funny...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;curtailing of access to handguns within the State&#8221; only applies to _licenced firearms holders_ who have been deprived of several international sports as a result for no reason whatsoever bar the media scaremongering over the sport of target shooting. </p>
<p>One slow news day, one silly season story, and then politicians whose careers aren&#8217;t doing so well like Deasy and De Burka start playing to that scaremongering in the media and then of course the Minister thinks &#8220;better to get a timeslot on the radio than to do the job I&#8217;m paid for&#8221; and we get the Criminal Justice (Misc.Provisions) Bill which says that law-abiding people, each personally vetted by a Garda Superintendent (and who have to jump through a long series of hoops including house visits, character references, and so forth), can&#8217;t have a fullbore pistol anymore. Unless they had one before November last year when the Minister first jumped for a piece of airtime. And they can&#8217;t do anything that looks like &#8220;combat training&#8221;&#8230; unless they do it in full military getup with replica firearms (which look, weigh, feel, sound and operate almost identically to the real thing) or with paintballs or something similar. </p>
<p>Because, obviously, the drug gangs all have licences for their guns. Which they got from their local Garda Superintendents. And will hand in once the new law is signed in and commenced. </p>
<p>If it hadn&#8217;t done as much damage, it&#8217;d be funny&#8230;</p>
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