Civil Partnership some initial observations…
Posted by Maman Poulet on 27 Jun 2009 at 02:53 am | Tagged as: Equality, LGBT, Same Sex Partnerships
Firstly for those people who’ve waited for the moment the state actually recognises their relationship and offers a chance to get their affairs in order I’m sure yesterday was a very good day and by the end of the year or early next year there will be a lot of people queuing up to get the deed done and celebrate.
It’s a good day for those people who’ve been together for years and want to sort out the pensions, property and next of kin issues. But for many people this bill does not meet their needs and they need to be heard.
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For those raising children or wanting to have children and legally protext families I have heard nothing from anyone about what will be done to protect these families. Those children that want to have legal ties to their non biological parents and those parents who want legal recognition of their role and succession rights will have to wait – or maybe they should not even bother waiting. There’s been little from anyone who’s been welcoming the bill talking about the many who will be left behind.
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For those who wanted marriage and marriage only (some would say in a manner to the detriment/ignorance of those who wanted something, anything at all) no doubt they are disappointed but surely not surprised.
And as I predicted on this blog and elsewhere the lack of focus on the detail of what the government are actually proposing to introduce has allowed some to enter by the back door and get a deal done that was easy for FF to swallow and the Green Party to claim brownie points for.
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Maybe the fact maintenance will have to be paid will put a stop in the whist of some people rushing to the registry office and that’s no bad thing. Given the number of people who’ve walked away from relationships leaving ex’s penniless it’s good to see the darker side of lives, loves and money covered. Yes lesbians and gay men are try to be as conniving and ruthless as many straight people in dissolving their relationships.
Attachment orders to earnings of partners who are better off to assist in the payment of maintenance may deter some from entering into civil partnerships. The recognition of cohabitants will confer rights on the dissolution of those relationships though.
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One should also note that this legislation may give Mary Hanafin the powers to enter your bedroom. A turn off if ever there was one.
The recognition of civil partnerships under taxation and social welfare codes extends far beyond those relationships that will actually be registered.
This means that same sex un-civilly partnered relationships may well be considered fair game for means testing by the Department of Social and Family Affairs. For years they could not be recognised as there was no marriage or civil partnership options for people to enter into so no penalties could be applied in assessing people for welfare payments.
Can you imagine the training courses the inspectors will get in how to spot that two men or women living together may well be shacked up and therefore considered financially dependent on each other! Many an interesting social welfare interview to come.
You may only be fuck buddies but if Mary and co. gets a whiff of co-habitation there may be no more individual social welfare payments. Instead failed means tests and refusals of rent allowance and assumptions of inferred dependency will be made. You may thank the lads in GLEN for that one if it does turn out this way. A new form of poverty due to sexual orientation?
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Things will change, change utterly following the adoption of this bill. Oh the term marital status is no more in terms of equality legislation – civil status will be the new phrase not rolling off your lips seemingly.
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Can you imagine the training courses the inspectors will get in how to spot that two men or women living together may well be shacked up and therefore considered financially dependent on each other! Many an interesting social welfare interview to come…. A new form of poverty due to sexual orientation?
Around 1990, I was involved with a group called the Scheme Worker’s Alliance, an offshoot of the Irish National Organisation of the Unemployed set up to look after the particular concerns of people on FAS and SES/CE work schemes.
We organised a conference, invited along a few politicians and senior civil servants from the departments of Labour and Social Welfare, and voiced our complaints. One of the main concerns from the floor was a protest against co-habitation rules. Although the senior civil servants from the Dept of Social Welfare assured the conference there was no practice of investigating if people claiming a single persons allowance (or occasionally, a lone parent allowance) was living with someone else, the floor was full of complaints about welfare inspectors doing just that. I remember one woman describing how the inspector looked under her bed to see if there were a man’s shoes there.
The senior civil servant dutifully promised to look into it, since it wasn’t kosher. They may or may not have issued new regulations since then, I moved on and lost touch with the issue a few months after the conference.
Harassment by welfare inspectors isn’t a gay or a straight issue. It’s a poverty issue. If you start hearing odd stories, get in touch with the INOU, they should have some idea of that the Department’s form is, and what is and isn’t currently legal.
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I see that you mentioned the DSFA aspects of this bill. In truth you answered one of the questions i had in relation to the bill.
I used to work in a Social Welfare local office, and so this is something that i was interested in finding out about.
I should point out that if you are looking for the guidelines that the SWI should be working under should be filed on the website here:
http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Pages/azindex.aspx?tab=guidelines
Always worth a look see, if you can read through the excess complexity.
Omegar et al – I’m not just referring to visits to peoples houses in terms of Social welfare assessments – I’ve had experience of dealing with people who’ve been deducted money for ‘enjoyment of free accommodation’ because they shared with a partner who owned a house/apartment. A quick pointing to the fact that they were not married, or could not marry eventually sorted out the mess.
All sorts of assumptions are probably going to be made about the way people live now in terms of social welfare assessments and put huge pressure on ‘relationships’ and the dynamics within – a lot of the problems reported to Citizens Advice Bureax in the UK have been about the way in which relationships which are not registered are determined or forced out when maybe people are not ready to name the type of relationship they are in.
There will be more on this no doubt as it’s all rolled out.
“the term marital status is no more in terms of equality legislation – civil status will be the new phrase not rolling off your lips seemingly”
Oh Joy. Two complicated terms to confuse people. Civil status and family status.